Skyrim find the redguard woman choice
Upon entering Whiterun for the first time you will overhear a couple of Alik'r Warriors talking to the Whiterun Guards about locating a Redguard woman. It turns out that they have been barred from entering the city, and one of them even has been to jail. Speak to them and they will request your help. It is also possible to encounter Alik'r warriors harassing any number of Redguard women throughout Skyrim. Talk to her, bringing up the Alik'r Warriors, she will take you upstairs to a private room. With dagger drawn she will ask you what you want with her.SEE VIDEO BY TOPIC: Skyrim: Top 5 Spouses You Must Marry - Greatest Wives and Husbands of The Elder Scrolls 5: Skyrim
What is the "good" choice in the Redguard woman quest?
I have just reached this point and am frankly staggered by the lack of choice. I'm annoyed because I don't understand why I cant speak to Saadia upon returning from the conversation with Kematu in the caves, other than to trick her into their hands. All it would have taken was a couple of questions to get her side of the story, and then a proper decision could have been made.
Very lazy design, and doesn't bode well for the game considering I am in the early stages. I've decided to leave them to it and not intervene. She's safe in the city, and I don't think they deserve to die. Would have been nice to warn her though. What a half baked mission. I certainly understand your frustration, but I've made my peace with it by comparing it to real-life dilemmas in which we can't always get the information we need in order to make good decisions, as in the world of medicine or foreign intelligence.
Keep playing, though I think you'll especially like the Dawnguard line. I've played this quest through a couple of times now, and it's one of the most frustrating in the game, because of the lack of definitive information or closure. But after a lot of thought, I've concluded that the balance of evidence is quite strong against Saadia.
It's not the conclusion I wanted to come to - everyone likes to help a damsel in distress - but I can't deny the facts. Fact 1: Saadia says that killing Kematu will cause the assassins to disperse and leave her safe. This, I know from my first playthrough, is completely inaccurate. Long after killing Kematu, you will still keep running into Alik'r warriors detaining Redguard women all over the place.
They don't give up. Fact 2: In the abovementioned random encounters, the warriors behave like - well, like honourable warriors, not assassins. They detain the woman - annoying her somewhat - but upon realising she's not Saadia, they let her go with no further fuss.
At no point do they draw a weapon or make a threat of any kind. Very civil. But we encounter several confirmed TSAs in the game, and their MO is completely different: - Esbern: is hunted by uniformed Thalmor guards how the heck they got into Stormcloak-controlled Riften I have no idea, but still , plus two 'sleeper' agents within the city.
It seems quite out of character for the Thalmor. Fact 4: Even if you save her, Saadia never starts treating you as a friend.
If she was for real, I would expect her to at least greet you more warmly thereafter - maybe even become marriagable. But she continues to address you exactly as before. That suggests to me that she's putting on an act when she needs your help, and drops it when you've done your bit. All valid points; I touched on Fact 2 in the post, but I had not really considered the other three.
I have come to the conclusion that Lothar did the wrong thing for the right reasons, and we'll both just have to live with it. I'm now hoping that the next game in the series will be set in Hammerfell, and might throw some retrospective light on this quest. Doesn't have to refer to Saadia directly - just telling us exactly who the 'Alik'r' are, and how they're viewed by the people of Hammerfell, would probably give us enough of a clue.
By the way, thanks for writing this blog. I don't always agree with you, but I appreciate that someone's taken the trouble to write all this down and give us a forum to have these discussions.
Be well. I share your hopes for the next title. And thanks for your kind words. I especially appreciate your willingness to challenge my analysis. The fact she made an assumption on her safety was both true and untrue in areas outside Whiterun. This is not a lie but an assumption which only came partly true. It does not prove that the rest of her story is false. She doesn't have the scar. Far from it. They're harassing traveling women not asking politely.
Using even her own family would not be outside Thalmor decency as long as it fulfilled their devisive objectives. Sowing discord and planning strife are their specialties. The merits of the Alik'r warriors must be observed based on their own actions which are not convincing. They are expelled from Whiterun for an unknown reason and abandon one of their men to rot in prison.
They ask for your assistance but refuse to give reasons only offering a bribe for information. Kematu hires bandits and hides out in a cave only addressing you after you "proved yourself" by slaughtering all his hirelings.
Obviously, he places a high value on life. His "honorable" argument holds a lot of information including insults of your own intellect, morals, and motivations; but nothing that proves Saadia is lying. His best idea than offering solid evidence or proof is to make a counteroffer for you to do the "dirty work" of lying to a woman you may have a duty to protect from kidnappers and Thalmor assassins.
The stakes are high and Kematu treats you like a warrior to be duped rather than fought. His highest compliment is in cowardice apparently. But this is not proof of her guilt. It did make me second guess as I believe it was intended. However, who she makes friends with is up to her. She did claim to be nobility not a common wench as she must pretend as a fugitive.
Actually, I think Idolaf Battle-Born likes her. He's always in the kitchen when she is. I too am of the opinion that the evidence stacks more heavily against Saadia, and I took Kematu's side in this particular quest. If nothing else, his taking her alive seems to imply that he was the one telling the truth. At least, that's what I think. Though the way he surrounded himself with actual bandits even if him and his men were not is still slightly suspect.
It's that second point that really sticks with me. Furthermore, I'm not convinced that taking her alive is necessarily a good thing. Things worse than death can happen to political prisoners. While Saadia seems to be indeed guilty, it's the name of the quest that bothers me. I wouldn't have had many doubts about helping Kematu had the quest been named something else!
I hadn't considered that before. The title of the quest is prejudicial. The story has been spun before it starts. Don't forget this basic moral dilemma that has been plaguing me: If you take Kematu's side you have to lie. This brings me to a particularly frustrating crossroad because after thoroughly researching I have come to the conclusion that I personally believe Kematu.
However I cannot take his side without having to lie to someone. At least siding with Saadia doesn't require overt, informed, basic moral deception. Welcome back to square one.
I see your point, but should we then say that deception is never justified under any circumstances? I like Kant as much as the next guy, but I'm not sure I can defend such an absolute standard. The fact he wants you to lie is indicative of something wrong here. You are being asked to do something dishonorable, the "dirty work," so that they can kidnap a woman who may be innocent.
Without hard evidence and without honorable methods, should you trust this guy? I couldn't. He fits more the profile and character Saadia and the Prisoner claim every minute. Filled with her ashes. They didn't take her back to Hammerfell at all, they just killed her as soon as the Dragonborn turns his back. I did not know about that. Funny thing is, now that I'm on my second playthrough, I have constructed a character who sides with Kematu, and the possibility that the Alik'r killed the traitor instead of taking her back would not faze this new character in the least.
Still, your info makes me feel better about Lothar's choice. I never sided with them so I didn't know! Excellent closure. No way to vote this comment up is there? They do not provide it. Thank you for your very thoughtful comments, though!
Wow Never new that. At first i sided with Kumatu but at the last second i pulled out Dawn-breaker and ran him through to save Saadia because of the way he talked to her. She was a bit mad that I tricked her but she calmed down, thanked me and payed me. Can anyone confirm this?
In My Time of Need
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I have just reached this point and am frankly staggered by the lack of choice. I'm annoyed because I don't understand why I cant speak to Saadia upon returning from the conversation with Kematu in the caves, other than to trick her into their hands. All it would have taken was a couple of questions to get her side of the story, and then a proper decision could have been made. Very lazy design, and doesn't bode well for the game considering I am in the early stages.
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In My Time of Need: Kematu or Saadia? (possible spoilers)
The initial part of this mission consists in finding Saadia. After that, you may choose how you want to behave towards the woman - help her or continue the quest and turn her over to Redguards. If you have completed the Dragon Rising main quest, upon heading Whiterun you should come across a couple Redguards wanting to get inside the city.SEE VIDEO BY TOPIC: Why You Should Kill Saadia - Hardest Decisions in Skyrim - Elder Scrolls Lore
You will receive Gold if you choose to kill Kematu. Sometime after you speak with the Jarl, a pair of Alik'r warriors stand just at the entrance to Whiterun and beckon you over. Alternatively, you can start this quest by finding them elsewhere and approaching them as they are harrassing a Redguard woman They commission you to help them locate a Redguard woman hiding somewhere in Whiterun. They're willing to pay for any information you can find about this woman. She is the waitress named Saadia at the Bannered Mare.
In My Time of Need
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